David Gillespie - Ideal Weight

13 Feb 2011 12:59 AM

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How does your body know when you have reached your ideal weight?
And if-&-when you do reach it, how do you stop the fructose-free diet from continuing to shed kilos?
Go back to eating fructose?

I presume ideal weight would be derived from BMI: IW = BMI*(h*h)
Or is their some other criterion?

13 Feb 2011 3:38 AM

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John Neilson wrote: How does your body know when you have reached your ideal weight?
And if-&-when you do reach it, how do you stop the fructose-free diet from continuing to shed kilos?
Go back to eating fructose?

I presume ideal weight would be derived from BMI: IW = BMI*(h*h)
Or is their some other criterion?

Hi John,

I watched an ABC (BBC) documentary recently, "Why are thin people not fat". It outlined research showing our genetic parameters, one of which is our ideal weight. It was fascinating viewing so I'd encourage you to try and download the documentary somewhow. My open-minded doctor has told me to ignore the BMI calculation completely (it's just too inaccurate considering the vast differences in genetics across the globe), throw away the scales and just go by your measurements.

13 Feb 2011 2:23 AM

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I agree, it was a good documentary and well worth trying to find for those who did not see it. To simplify ongoing weightloss, I rationalise the whole thing by believing that going fructose free will allow your body to eventually gravitate to the weight it would have been if you had not been introduced to fructose in the first place.

Simply put, if you weigh 100kg and you lose weight consistently at the rate of 1kg a week, you will disappear within two years. Obviously this will not happen and sooner or later your weight will plateau.

By that time, you should be well adjusted to life without fructose and (as with people who give up nicotine) you will cease to think about it and cease to need it. But, it would not be wise to go back to any regime which allows fructose in; in much the same way that after giving up smoking for a year you would not go back to smoking just 2 fags a day.

I started this journey on the 17th of June last year at almost 108kg, I am now 91kg and seem to be stalled at that weight. But that is fine, I look good, I am healthy and most importantly, I neither diet nor watch my food intake.

So, it is seven months since I ate chocolate, or cake, or snakes or jelly babies or TimTams and I have no desire to try them...and that's the amazing bit.

Cheers

David F

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13 Feb 2011 6:19 PM

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David, Congrats on your loss. When your appetite control kicks in your body will tell you what you need and when you need it. If you need more calories you body will tell you, you are hungry and when you are full and don't need any more your body should tell you that's enough. The problem while eating fructose is that your appetite control is "broken" so your body cannot tell you your full so you over eat. So I think by going back to eating fructose is actually a step backwards. I've been fructose free for nearly 4 months now and there is no way I'd be able to go back and eat all that sugary stuff, just the thought of eating all that sugar makes me sick now. I have also just started low carbing as well just to try and kick start my appetite control and get things moving. I can say that my appetite control is definitely working the way it should now. I know what my body needs now and when it needs it. I've noticed that as the day goes on I eat more, for breaky today I only managed to eat a 1 egg ommlette with ham and cheese, I just couldn't fit anything else in. I know that after my workout tonight I'll be more hungry then what I am now, because my body will need the energy. Our bodies are amazing things, you just need to listen to it. Eat when you are hungry, stop when you are full, drink when you are thirsty let your body tell you what you need.

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20 Feb 2011 12:15 AM

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Anonymous

All these comments are interesting and helpful. The article concerned was easy to find by Googling:

http://www.downtr.net/394660-bbc-horizon-why-are-thin-people-not-fat-2009-pdtv-mvgroup.html

After about 3 months I am down from 84kg to 76.5 and my waist from 102+cm to 76.5. I was mainly concerned about the latter as I believe anything over 94cm, regardless of sex or height, is bad news. And like others I definitely know when I've had enough to eat. Interestingly it seems to work with alcohol intake too.

20 Feb 2011 3:05 AM

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That wasn't that simple either. Try this, but note that you have to open each of the 7 links in order: 1/7. 2/7 etc. You WILL see it all :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6-A0iHSdcA&feature=related

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21 Feb 2011 5:54 AM

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I watched all seven segments of this program last night and here are my comments:

These people need to read David's books. There is almost no mention of the appetite-control hormones &/or the role of sugar in calorie intake. Even the boffins exploring why/how people feel full only touch on it. The general assumption seems to be that calorie intake is the significant factor without mentioning the type of calories involved. And much of the research seems to be conducted by psychologists - where are the biochemists? Nor does there seem to be any reference to the psychological need for "comfort food" - suppressing bad feelings by dumping food on top of them.

It would be fascinating to see how the subjects of the weight reduction program would have reacted if they had been weaned off fructose.

I wonder if genetics really do dictate ideal body weight. The moderate weight gain of a couple of the subjects seemed to indicate this as a possibility.

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