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WEIGHTWATCHERS - Overhaul

  • 30 Nov 2010 5:16 PM
    Message # 471975
    Deleted user

    So...  Weightwatchers is overhauling their Points System, eh?

    Apparently fruit & veg will be "free". Sweets will carry a bigger point penalty. And starchy carbs will be limited as well.

    Sounds like a lower carb/ lower fructose diet to me. What's the bet they claim it as their own "big discovery"?  I can just see it now... The fanfare, the claims of cutting edge research, and then the big announcement...

    "WE HAVE JUST RE-INVENTED THE WHEEL."

     

  • 01 Dec 2010 12:56 AM
    Reply # 472288 on 471975
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    There is no doubt that the weightloss industry is corrupt in its beliefs. I don't believe however, that Weightwatchers and Jenny Craig and all the others are deliberately flogging misinformation. I genuinely believe they are selling a regime in which they believe.

    Any movement toward a lower fructose eating regime should be applauded, irrespective of whether they attribute their shift to any particular body of research. WW and JC are powerful organisations capable of influencing millions.

    If their influence shifts to the extent that they start promoting a regime which encompasses David Gillespie's research, then the world will benefit and David will ultimately reap the rewards. The foods sold by the weightloss industry will eventually be shown to have a high garbage content and will also be redeveloped in time.

    Rather than profer criticism, I think we should appreciate that David's research will change the world, and praise for those who realise it, no matter how small the initial concession, should be actively encouraged and offered.

    DF

    Last modified: 01 Dec 2010 12:58 AM | Deleted user
  • 01 Dec 2010 5:23 PM
    Reply # 472834 on 471975
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    I agree David, it is good to see large organisations starting to shift their focus away from the low fat dogma and begin the recognise the damage sugar is doing even if they haven't yet fully embraced the low fructose theory. It is a bit like trying to turn around a massive ocean liner. It is not going to turn quickly, but with lots of little tug boats (like David Gillespie and us) pushing and pulling it will eventually be headed in the right direction.
  • 01 Dec 2010 5:36 PM
    Reply # 472853 on 471975
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    True, David F, we should see these organisations as vehicles for the disbursement of information but its hard to ignore the fact that they ride to financial glory on the backs of the desperate and ill-informed.

    "Not deliberately flogging misinformation" you say? On the 23rd Nov one of our members said that WW had contacted her with info stating that sugar is NOT fattening and is processed by the body exactly the same as any other carb.

    To me this means that:

    a) WW has at least heard of the fructose/carb research and (hopefully, for such an influential organisation) looked into it. They then decide that the research is flawed.

    b) in the space of less than a week WW has (again, hopefully) looked once more at the research and seen the error of their ways, and

    c) most amazing of all (since it involves travelling backwards through time) WW has revamped their entire program, redesigned all packaging and trained their leaders in the new methods.

    How in the space of a week can they categorically claim that sugar is NOT the enemy and at the same time plan to launch an entire new marketing strategy based firmly on exactly the opposite unless they are "deliberately flogging misinformation"?

    For the last three months all WW products have been considerably reduced in price. Everything from food items to cookbooks have been marked down. All my clients who are WW members have "bought up big". Clients who couldn't afford them are now sporting Points calculators.

    In exactly 30 days these items will be useless.

    True, the bikkies, cookbooks, etc. will still be usable but at a far greater Points cost. The calculators will make a nice paperweight.

    WW leaders were made to sign non-disclosure agreements before they were allowed to participate in training for the new regime. Ask yourself why. Was it just to protect the launch or was it so they could flog off old stock?

    I totally agree with you that David's research is world-changing but I cannot agree that he will ultimately reap the rewards. That is of little consequence (sorry David G. lol!). But WW & JC have the health of half the overweight world in their hands and they should be above reproach or be held accountable.

    I, for one, will continue to "profer criticism" until they stop their despicable exploitation of people in need.

  • 02 Dec 2010 3:49 AM
    Reply # 473166 on 471975
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    Hi Donna, I do not think David's regime is based on the assumption that sugar is any more fattening than any other carbohydrate. The basis of the research, as I understand it, is that one particular sugar causes a physiological change which prevents the brain from knowing when sufficient food has been ingested.

    It is important to remember the focus of David's book is the avoidance of a poison. One of the beneficial side effects of this, for many people, is weight loss. I am not supporting the weight loss industry and I remain a critic.

    Criticism is fine providing it is effectively targetted, but every positive step, no matter what the motivation, should be applauded.

    Best wishes

    DF

  • 02 Dec 2010 4:35 PM
    Reply # 473433 on 471975
    Deleted user

    Hi David F Yes it IS a plus that such huge organisations are heading finally in the right direction. My anger is caused by their exploitation of the overweight.  It's a bit like a superhero - with awesome power comes awesome responsibility (lol!)

    David G's research is clear in saying that fructose is a poison but also that it is more fattening - not because the carb is so different from other carbs but because we have no limiting system built into us as we do with other macronutrients, insulin, cholecystokykin, etc.  Plus it upsets the leptin response in the hypothalamus. It stops our brain from knowing if we have enough bodyfat.

    So even though a carb is a carb is a carb, fructose behaves as though it is more fattening.

    Anyway, you know all this - now I'M re-inventing the wheel. :-)

    I will continue to be strong strongly opposed to these organisations simply because they have had the knowlege for so long but dispense it according to financial dictates, not to benefit their members.

    Cheers,

    Donna

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