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Getting the kids off Sugar

  • 13 Jul 2012 2:52 AM
    Message # 1008024
    Deleted user

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm new to the no sugar thing and have found that although I didn't have withdrawals for very long (and managed to give up just before easter and not relapse somehow given all the eggs now stashed in our cupboard) I found it only takes a very small amount to regain that 'grazing' feeling where you're not hungry but you still want to eat. I can deal with that myself but I worry about our 2 kids miss 3.5 and miss 1. I know it's doing them harm and find miss 3.5 especially is just constantly looking for snacks all day and even though it isn't effecting her weight I worry about when she gets older as I know from experience that bad eating habits catch up on you when you hit puberty. I also know from experience how much better I feel and want that for them - and I hate the idea of 'poisoning' their little bodies. I just don't know how to implement it fully as my husband (who can eat whatever he wants and never gets fat!) loves his junk food and would not want to convert. And as you can imagine a 3.5 will nag for hours if she spots a choccie frog hidden in the cupboard no matter how many times you tell her it's daddy's special frog.

    Does anyone have any advice on weaning their young children off sugar? They also go to day care 3 days a week while I work and they have arvo tea such as pancakes or bun some days so I was wondering how it would go with no sugar at home but having it outside the home sometimes? I was hoping it would get to the point where they just don't want it and so not eat much when it was offered?? We can't take food to day care given the allergies everywhere now-a-days and I wouldn't want them to feel different from the other kids anyway. I've tried cooking some biscuits/cakes with dextrose but they've only eaten 1 or 2 and the rest of the batch gets chucked out after a few days. They enjoy 'no added sugar' ice cream as a treat but the artificial sweetner freaks me out too now. Honestly I've been putting it off becuse I can see the dramas unfolding already....

    Thanks, Sam :)

  • 13 Jul 2012 7:01 PM
    Reply # 1008787 on 1008024
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    Hi Sam.  My kids are 12 and 16, so the damage is done in this house, and it's me that did it, the treats in the house were always mine.  Master 12 talks about going no sugar, but he asks for soft drink ALL the time, he's used to it.  Miss 16 is overweight and just won't control what she eats, no matter what we try.

    My suggestions:

    First of all, I'd talk to your husband about how hard it is for girls in school if they are overweight, and remind him that the eating habits being established now, will follow through, and once they hit puberty, odds are good they will result in weight gain.  Tell him he can eat what he wants, but ask for his help in raising your daughters to eat well.  That means having his own area the kids don't see, to hide his treats.  I did that on my own, perhaps he can do it with a little prompting.

    Second - I lost 16 kg in two months ( 10 in the first ).  I ate a lot of sugar, before.  For all that, I am sure that cutting out soft drinks accounted for at least a third of my sugar intake.  Give the kids milk or water at home, and ask that they only be given those things in day care, if you can.  If they never get used to drinking soft drink, you're a long way towards cutting out sugar for them.  

    Third - have treats in the house that are sugar free, or at acceptable levels.  If you keep their intake low enough, and also not every day, then their bodies will handle it better.  So, try things like nuts for snacks.  If you don't give them sugar based options, the dextrose ones will go down just fine, but they should still be a treat, ideally.  It's just a whole lot better than sugar, if those are your only choices.  You can buy puff pastry sheets at the supermarket, made with butter ( so, no vegetable oils ), and they have no sugar in them.  When I REALLY want a treat, I buy those, and make fruit turnovers ( so, some fructose ).  Then I put cream on them.  Using cream instead of ice cream as a topping for desserts, is another easy way to cut out sugar.  You can also get an ice cream maker and make your own sugar free ice creams.  This is a great idea, because it means they can help to make it and to choose the flavours.  If you use cocoa and dextrose, chocolate ice cream is possible, sugar free.  There's tons of essences you can buy to make mint, or orange, or whatever, ice cream.

    If they need a mid afternoon snack, I'd try things like a buttered crumpet, with cheese if they want.  OR just a bit of cheese.  Or an apple, the fructose comes with fibre so their body can process it better.  Then, I would aim for dessert being only a few times a week ( because that's another good dietary principle for them to learn ), and aim for sugar free stuff from the recipes, for dessert you can move past cakes and make the cheesecake, or a mousse, those recipes are actually really nice, my family has not complained at getting one of those a week since I went sugar free.

    And tell your husband, his metabolism will catch up with him, I used to be just like him, and ended up 16 kg overweight, it just snuck up on me. :-)

    I hope that helps.  You'll never get your kids sugar free, not unless you lock them in the house.  But you can make your house an oasis, and teach them good principles.  My son cannot eat chocolate, he goes hyper if he does.  He soon learned and we'd often hear about a chocolate cake being brought in, and Calvin announcing he could not have any.  So, it's possible to teach kids to avoid certain foods, although sugar is probably tougher, you can at least try to teach them to try to avoid it, even if they have it sometimes.

  • 15 Jul 2012 8:38 PM
    Reply # 1010240 on 1008024
    Deleted user

    My daughter is 5.5 and my son is 4.  Basically when they are at home, they are mostly sugar free and I bake all of my own cakes and biscuits (when our oven is working, it's broken at the moment).  When I do bake I bake lots (chocolate cake, muffins, cupcakes, cheesecakes etc) and put them in small snap lock bags and freeze (my current stock is running very low because of the broken oven lol).  So when they do want something I just defrost it.  I realise they will never be complete sugar free, but party food is for parties and I don't mind they have sugar at school or a party or at someone's house, because I know it's not an all the time thing and when they get home they don't have sugar. My two have breaky, morning tea, lunch, afternoon tea, and dinner, depending how good they are they may also get dessert.  There is no snacking in between meals but also on the other end of the scale I will not force them to eat (my daughter is quite tiny for her age and doesn't eat overly much). My son eats well and I generally give him more proteins and fats to help fill him up.

  • 03 Aug 2012 1:22 AM
    Reply # 1035542 on 1008024
    Deleted user

    Thanks Christian & Janelle,

    Great idea about the secret stash I don't know why that hasn't occurred to me before! I'll be going home to hide away all my husbands naughty treats so the kids can't see them! I think he'll be happy to live with that. :)

    I've been baking sugar free treats but I'm finding my 2 kids aren't really into muffins, cakes and biscuits unless they're covered in icing or sprinkles and then they just eat that off the top. I've just leant an ice cream maker to try the dextrose ice cream which should be a hit as they love vanilla ice cream. Sugar free Jelly is also a hit which is handy (if you don't think about the nasty artificial sweetners - but it's progress for now) but they're quite happy with fruit (skin on) which sometimes becomes a problem when you're trying to limit fruit intake. As for toast, crumpets, biscuits, dips, chips, cheese, grated carrot, savory muffins, eggs etc, I've tried them all and although sometimes they want them sometimes they don't. I think they're just trying to fish for chocolate or lollies which I tell them means they're not really hungry and can wait till lunch/tea :)

    I agree that it's the eating habits they learn now that will shape them for their life going forward and it's our jobs as parents to teach them healthy safe eating. Who would have thought such a basic function could become so complicated and difficult. We now have vegie gardens and fruit trees growing along with our own chooks which has tought them alot about healthy basic organic food and cooking it. The most difficult thing is down this road is swearving away from the mindset of homestyle baking that provides sugar laden arfternoon tea every day. Homebaked bread we have every morning but that doesn't grab people like homecooked cakes and biscuits for arvo tea :)

    I think in the end it will come down to what's offered is all there is and you either eat it or go hungry. Hopefully trying to involve them in planning meals, cooking and growing our food will teach them some good things along the way and that when they're finally released into the world they don't head straight down to Safeway and fill up the trolley with junk they were never fed as a child and now have full access too :)

    Thankfully I still still have some time to try to shape them into something better then I turned out ;)

    Thanks again guys.

  • 03 Aug 2012 3:05 AM
    Reply # 1035586 on 1008024
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    Sounds to me like you are stressing too much. Your kids are little. If they are really hungry they will eat a vegimite sandwich or some cheese or celery filled with peanut butter (the allowed one of course).
    If not they are not really hungry. My grand daughter who is 2 loves the cinnamon tea cake and I make anzac biscuits (just the women's weekly biscuit book recipe but dextrose for the sugar and rice malt extract for the honey) which are also a hit. 
    Many kids ( and adults) have to adjust to dietary restrictions because of allergies and they quickly learn what they can and can't eat - at least your kids wont have to carry around an epipen in case they accidentally eat some sugar.
    By the time they are old enough to be out on their own they will be used to good healthy food and by then they should also understand why you chose not to eat fructose.

    Good Luck
  • 06 Aug 2012 6:25 PM
    Reply # 1040320 on 1008024
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    speaking of kids - what kind of things do you feed your children on the fructose free diet - like lunch, breakfast, dinner, snacks etc  out of curiosity because mine is super fussy and there doesn't seem to be a great deal to feed him.
  • 06 Aug 2012 8:59 PM
    Reply # 1040408 on 1008024
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    My son is in day care and they supply food so he eats their stuff.  My daughter is in school so her lunches are basically, home made muffin or plain uniced cake (I get lazy and don't bother icing my cakes lol), crackers, sandwich (no sugar peanut butter, vegemite, cheese and ham plus mayo), wraps (cheese and ham, chicken), boiled egg, cubbed cheese, strawberries or other berries, those cheese and cracker dip things, no sugar yoghurt, chips (occasional treat).
  • 07 Aug 2012 12:18 AM
    Reply # 1040518 on 1008024
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    I think you're right Janie, I've been cracking down on them and if they don't want whats on offer they go without. At least they eat all their main meals then :)

    My Kids are similar to Janelle's Rebecca. They're at day care 3 days so they eat what's prepared there. They tend to have toast with PB, vegemite or the homemade Dextrose strawberry jam (which was delicious), weetbix or porrige for breakfast with a pancake or bacon/eggs treat on the weekend. I used to sweeten the porrige and weetbix with fruit but now they have them unsweetened. Lunch is usually sandwhiches or wraps, they especially like turkey and creamed corn at the moment, or quiche, zucchini slice, homemade soup or finger veggies with cocktails or chicken depending on how much time I have available. Tea varies a lot between meat/fish and veg to chow mein, lasagne, spag bog, shepphards pie and those sort of things you can bulk up with grated veggies. Snacks I've mentioned above and sometimes they eat them and sometimes they don't depending on hunger levels I suppose. I have noticed if they're in the house a lot they want to graze more so it's handy to get them oustide and they always come in dirty, usually wet but with an appetite and a spring in their step :)

    Looking at that I think I do worry too much Janie - there's certainly kids worse off then them!

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